What Would People Think?

by Pastor Nabil Safi

“What would people think?” is a common response I often got in the past and still get today, when I have conversations about senior leadership with women from the Middle East. The fear of being judged has crippled women in general to be thriving in the community at large and in particular inside the local church. The fact that a woman lives in a lopsided society that promotes males over females makes it very difficult for her to navigate the conflicting values of equality and personal achievement versus honor‐shame and community’s best interest. Consequently, when faced with an invitation to lead, her immediate response is: What would people think?

As I explored the topic of women in ministry on a global scale, I learned that it is a global struggle manifested in different degrees of severity depending on the culture’s openness to embrace the Theology of equality. For this article, I want to shed the light on the Middle East and focus on the story of the Church of God (COG) in that region and in particular the country of Lebanon.

Why Lebanon? Simply, because I was born and grew up in this country and I want share my personal experience and observations. Another reason is that the work of the COG in Lebanon was started by women missionaries in the early 1900s. In addition to that, in the early 1920s, the first three women to be ordained in the Middle East were from the COG in Lebanon. One might think that this is a big win for the church in Lebanon at that time. This is true except that the church did not follow through to transform this win into a paradigm shift and establish the new normal for the generations to follow. Since then, we do not know of any ordained women in the country, and in this same country now I hear the words “What would people think if I became a pastor/senior leader?” Those words break my heart because the church is missing a lot of opportunities.

As I reflect on this story, I am not discouraged; instead I still see great potential in the COG Lebanon because it is a fertile soil to become a pioneer once again. I say that because this coming October, the first woman will be ordained in the Presbyterian Church in Lebanon, and will be serving in a city where Islam is the dominant influence. I had the chance to contact her, and I sensed a lot of hope in her vision for the city. The COG is a movement and we will continue to explore new ways to build the Kingdom. Almost a hundred years ago the COG in Lebanon was a trailblazer to prepare the path for another denomination to have their first female ordained pastor. I wonder what God has in store for the COG in Lebanon!

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Finally, I believe that God has positioned the global COG in a place to begin living the prophecy in Joel 2:29. We neither need to debate nor to prove whether ‘women in ministry’ is a biblically sound teaching or not; rather we ought to start boldly practicing and celebrating what God has ordained. My response to the women leaders I am having conversations with about their role in ministry is: Let us not focus on what people think, let us obey what God says.

How did we fall so far? Mention women in leadership in the Church of God, or more pointedly, women in senior leadership and you will hear the same response from pastors and congregants, “Nothing wrong with women in leadership. Nothing wrong with women as lead pastors. But that won’t work here.” 

Since the beginning of our movement, women were affirmed in their leadership gifts. For generations in the Church of God, the church affirmed and called women as senior pastors, evangelists, missionaries, and national leaders. Since the early days of the movement, women in key leadership positions have blessed the church with their gifts. I grew up in a Church of God that had Slovak roots in Johnstown, PA. 

In the early days of the church, women sat on one side and men on the other. Because of its eastern European heritage, men were the unquestioned authority in the home. You would think that because of the influence of eastern European culture, the church would be very resistant to women in leadership but the opposite was true. Through the years, the church invited numerous female evangelists to hold revivals. As a child, I remember a female African-American chalk artist who did an incredible week-long revival at our church. Amazingly it wasn’t even on their radar to resist female leadership in the church. At our Slovak camp meeting in Hubbard, Ohio, Sister Lillie McCutcheon was a rock star. She was the featured evangelist at Hubbard many times. What could it have been that caused people steeped in the patriarchal eastern European culture to open their arms to female leadership? I will try to answer that question through the lens of my grandfather, Karl Matas, who was a pastor and leader in the Slovak Church of God. The question of female leadership in the church was never an issue for my grandfather for two reasons. 

First, my grandfather LOVED the Church of God. It was the church that reached out to him as a young immigrant coming to America alone after World War I. He was saved through the efforts of the Church of God. He believed in the Church of God. He owed his salvation to Jesus and to the gospel preached by the Church of God. So if the doctrine of the Church of God affirmed women in leadership, that was good enough for him. Secondly and more poignantly—for Karl Matas—the Church of God welcomed him when others did not. My grandfather faced his share of prejudice when he came to America to work in the steel mills of Johnstown. He was derided, called names and made fun of, but he knew he mattered to the Church of God. The Church of God was the group that cared enough to plant Slovak-speaking churches to reach him and others like him. Years later, the Church of God affirmed his calling to ministry. The Church of God didn’t marginalize him because he was different, they welcomed him. So maybe that’s the more telling reason he so easily dismissed any temptation to resist female leadership because the church that welcomed him with the message “you can be anything that God called you to be” also gave that same gift to women. 

For Karl Matas, the Church of God broke down barriers; it welcomed and affirmed everyone that was washed in the blood. Because of that, his cultural heritage was never an issue when it came to women in ministry. Before he came to America, he never met a black person. Yet one of his favorite places to worship was with his brothers and sisters at the National Association camp meeting at West Middlesex, PA. For my grandfather, the Church of God was a movement that broke down walls, removed barriers and welcomed everyone. It was a place where a person—regardless of ethnicity, race or gender—could become what God called them to be.

But something happened in my lifetime. For the last 30 to 45 years, the doors that once welcomed women into leadership roles in the church have been closing. Women increasingly are relegated to traditional roles in children’s ministry and administration. The word “traditional” is ironic because we have moved far away from our tradition of affirming women in leadership. 

“Not in my neighborhood” is a subtle but powerful phrase that is often used to effect bigotry and prejudice. “There might not be anything wrong with [fill in the blank], I just don’t want them in my neighborhood.” It is our way to feel good. We don’t have to acknowledge our prejudice, having those people in our neighborhood won’t work here. When it comes to women in ministry, far too many churches in our movement have a “not in my neighborhood” mentality. That way, we don’t have to deny or contradict an essential doctrine of our movement; we take a false utilitarian stance and state “nothing wrong with women in ministry or women as lead pastors, but it won’t work in this church.” Sadly, when it comes to women in leadership—especially in a lead pastor role—a vast majority of our churches take a “not in my neighborhood” stance.

I can only imagine the emotional trauma this causes gifted women in our movement. If the movement affirms women in leadership, yet no church will even talk to them about open leadership positions, they are tempted to think “something must be wrong with me.”

How did we get here and what do we do about it?

Reformed theology is pervasive in popular Christian blogs and with young well-known celebrity pastors. Many of the Christian bloggers that I follow are reformed and they make it a point to drive home their complementarian beliefs. They address the role of men and women on a regular consistent basis. Yet there is relative silence among pastors and leaders who hold a different view—that God doesn’t give spiritual gifts based on gender. Our doctrine comes right out of Scripture, yet we are silent. We need to speak up. We need to preach and teach that God doesn’t limit the gift of leadership only to those who have an XY chromosome. It has been said that the church will never rise higher than the pulpit. The reason why so many in our congregations hold a negative view of women in leadership is because the only voices they hear are from those in the reformed tradition. It is imperative that we speak loudly, firmly and clearly. We as pastors and leaders need to teach our people because if we don’t someone else will.

Karl Matas fell in love with the Church of God because it welcomed him, it affirmed him as a leader. He gave his life to a movement that broke down manmade barriers and divisive walls. In our increasingly polarized nation, may we once again be the people who welcome, who affirm, who break down manmade walls of prejudice and discrimination. The world desperately needs what we once had to offer. May we find the strength and courage to offer it again.

This is part 6 in a series of articles on leadership (specifically women in leadership) 

written by Ann Smith
published June 2016 in IM Enews

One of the prayers I frequently pray is, “God make me a contagious follower of you. Remind me that my task is not to defend you but to reflect you.” In the early days of my faith journey I felt the main task of a Christian was to defend God and as a result, I became an abrasive Christian. What a relief it was to discover God was big enough to take care of Himself and did not need my defense. 

It was Lloyd Ogilvie who first raised the questions for me, “What would have happened to the prodigal son if it had been the elder brother standing at the gate instead of the father?” The prayer of my heart is that no one will remain in, or return to, the far country because they meet me before they meet the Father. 

I believe it is easy for us to be so concerned about having the right theology, right doctrine, right beliefs that we fail to realize that the right spirit is perhaps far more important. While those things are crucial, it is the right spirit that opens the door to new insights, to growth, to greater effectiveness, to sensitivity to God’s guidance, to honesty about our journey, to willingness to change, to the ability to live with unanswered questions. After all, God calls us to be full rather than complete. There is still so much learning, discovering, stretching and becoming to do. He is increasingly shaping us into the image of Christ. 

I believe having the right spirit makes us more aware of how important questions are. Too many times in the past I have been so eager to give answers that I have not taken the time or opportunity to listen to the questions inside of me, the questions that come from God or from others who are also on a faith journey. 

The Church of God has recently been engaged in reflecting on how far apart our teaching and our practice are in regard to women in ministry. I would like to invite us all – men, women, lay people, ordained clergy, all followers of Jesus – to engage in asking ourselves some questions and honestly, as we are all able, about women in ministry. Hopefully, the questions we ask ourselves about women in ministry will be helpful as we apply them to other aspects of our faith journey. 

For me, I have found that honesty and reflection are necessary elements of my growth process. Here are a few questions I am asking and I invite you to use these if they are helpful but also invite you to ask God to bring to your mind the questions that are unique to your spiritual journey. 

  1. Am I basing my position on a specific proof text rather than the role of women throughout Biblical narrative? 
  2. Throughout our life, we wear all kinds of labels. Which do I know better – my label or who God called me to be? 
  3. How aware am I that it is possible to be sincere and wrong at the same time? 
  4. To what degree do stereotypes determine how I relate to others? 
  5. It is possible that sometimes my attitude or positions grow out of my desire to control?
  6. How do my ego needs show up in my words and actions?
  7. How does my privilege and power inform my responses to the words and actions of others with less privilege and power? 
  8. Do our words and actions create barriers or build bridges? 
  9. Do I honestly admit that opposition to women in ministry is found in both men and women? Is it more of a heart problem than a gender problem? 
  10. To what extent does the individualism of the society in which I live hinder my understanding of the Biblical concept of the Body of Christ and how it should function? 
  11. Do I sometimes try to take over God’s job? 

I have many more questions that I ask myself. I encourage you to make your own list and deal with them as honestly as you are able by God’s grace. 

How grateful am I for the various opportunities God has provided for me to be involved in ministry over many years. Hopefully it has made a difference in people’s lives. It is a wonderful feeling to look back over 91 years of life and honestly feel that if I could live life over again, I would not change the direction. It has been an ongoing process of discovery that God, self, relationships, and how God wants to use me. The discovery continues! What a journey! Thanks be to God!